|“|| I'm going to rape you, so help me!
All right, but if I help you it won't be rape.
Used in at least three situations:
- When a rapist denies that his/her actions can be classified as rape because the victim climaxed. This ignores the physiological fact that orgasm is as much a function of sufficient nerve stimulation as anything else.
- When a rape is occurring, and the victim first protests and then starts having fun.
- When a character is raped until they like it and can't get enough of it.
Do not confuse this with Rape Is Love: the latter is about a rape setting up characters as a couple, even though one or both of them, as well as outsiders, know and acknowledge that it was rape. This trope is about the situation where the rapist and/or outsiders deny that it was a rape at all, because the victim became physically aroused or climaxed. Note that this trope doesn't qualify if both parties are looking forward to it in advance, in which case it can't be rape by definition.
This should not be assumed to be Truth In Television - victims of rape may find themselves experiencing the impulses which initiate orgasm. Thus their rapist may assume that this means they enjoyed it, and that means it wasn't rape, it was just surprise sex they didn't know they wanted, and may even try to convince the victim. However in Real Life, an orgasm (or an erection) is really nothing more than impulses caused by the stimulation of various muscles. What separates "rape" and "having sex" is the mutual consent of both parties involved. That means both the one who initiated the act and the recipient give their emotional and psychological okays; just going by someone's physical responses is not right. Human bodies are programmed on a base level to respond to sexual stimuli regardless of the circumstances that brought it about, or the mental state those involved are in.
Anime & Manga Edit
- As seen in the image, used by Saber Alter in a h-manga by
Hiroe ReiTex-Mex to justify her "usage" of Shirou.
- In the H-manga Warau Kangofu, the protagonist gets raped by a Hospital Hottie, returns the favor in the next chapter, and upon getting better and getting released from the hospital promises to get sick again so he can come back and see her once more. Said hottie herself gets gang-raped by three other men (one of the men being an old man doesn't help) and finds it humiliating that she's enjoying the rape.
- The mantra of a major portion of Japanese erotic media, hand in hand with RapeIsLove.
- Battle Vixens, the "translation" of Ikki Tousen had the line "It's not rape if you smile behind the tears.", although one can't be sure if the original did as it's a bit... Macekred. Still, it wouldn't be out of place.
- It, or anything remotely like it, was most definitely NOT in the original version.
- One H-manga (Berry Ecstasy) has this as its climax(hence the spoiler tag), providing the Hand Wave of sheer masochism.
- Invoked by Akai in Kite just to twist the knife a little bit deeper while he rapes the protagonist Sawa in front of her fellow assassin and would-be suitor Oburi. Oburi and Akai were not aware that Sawa was just playing along in an effort to gain Akai's trust so that she could double-cross him later.
- This is brought up by Brick after the virginal protagonist in Bondage Queen Kate protests while being raped in the first OVA... though, in her defense, she was given a powerful aphrodisiac immediately prior.
- Brick: If it's so bad, then why are you moving your hips?
- Words Worth: This is highlighted in an exchange between Prince Astral of the Shadow Tribe and Maria of the light tribe, the former seeming genuinely surprised that the former would consider his taking her (who was at the time a prisoner of war, and chained and protesting the entire time) rape.
- Astral: But... but it seemed like you were having fun at the time!
- Maria: Be quiet you beast! You raped me! I had no control over my own body!
- Astral: But that's ridiculous!
- Maria: What, do you think I enjoyed it!?!
- In Kuroshitsuji, episode 17, Sebastian does it on a nun. Sadly enough, some fans actually hate poor Matilda for being raped by a good-looking demon, even though it's obvious he had no feelings for her and she didn't ask for it.
- Painfully deconstructed in Sakura Gari, where we get to see the psychological consequences that such a trope brings on the victim - and arguably, even on the rapist... who also was a victim.
- In the Futurama episode "Amazonian Women In The Mood", Fry and Zapp are repeatedly raped by 12 feet tall Amazonian women. Since they appear to enjoy it to some extent and, even with their horrible injuries look back on the experience fondly, the idea that it is rape is never brought up; the only problem seems to be that the experience would have killed them owing to the size of the women versus the size of the men.
- The reason why the idea of rape was probably never brought up is because both Fry and Zapp chose to not see it as rape. They chose to see it as getting laid by 12 ft. tall hot amazonian women before they die. So this could also be a case of "It's Not Rape Unless You Don't Acknowledge It As Rape". To put it as Fry put it:
- Fry: I never thought I'd die this way, though I'd always really hoped.
- A recurring theme in the Housewives At Play adult comic book.
- In the Fritz The Cat story "Fritz the No-Good", Fritz rapes the girlfriends of one of the revolutionaries in the story. However, she actually enjoys it! This trope reoccurs in "Fritz the Cat, Superstar", where Fritz throws himself on a fan and she doesn't seem to object much, only commenting "wow, man, you're too much".
- Perhaps most controversially used in Sam Peckinpah's Straw Dogs, in which the unfulfilled wife of a nebbish professor is raped by her brawny former boyfriend and, midway through, begins to enjoy it due to her lingering affection for the man.
- Similarly in the Russ Meyer film Lorna the titular character is raped by an escaped convict and starts to enjoy it. She subsequently invites the man back to her home for sex.
- Several James Bond movies come to mind. Goldfinger in particular, where Bond forcibly kisses the self-proclaimed lesbian Pussy Galore, who then immediately switches sides in more ways than one. That's right; James Bond was an early practitioner of "corrective rape".
- [from the book] Bond liked the look of her. He felt the sexual challenge all beautiful Lesbians have for men. He was amused by the uncompromising attitude that said to Goldfinger and to the room, "All men are bastards and cheats. Don't try any masculine hocus on me. I don't go for it. I'm in a separate league."
- Which is just one ginormous Unfortunate Implication.
- In Young Frankenstein, it looks like Elizabeth is about the be raped by the monster... but once she sees the size of his schlong, she doesn't seem too horrified. Never-mind the necrophilia implications! She later expresses longing for the creature and eventually marries it.
- Elizabeth: I'm a... I -
- ZZZIP (Monster unzips his pants)
- Elizabeth: ...oh my god! Woof!
- Ohhhhhhh sweet mystery of life, at last I've found youuuuuuu!
- The plot of the 1977 adult film Joy. The heroine enjoys it so much her enthusiasm scares off the rapist. Soon she's indiscriminately doing the same to men all around town. Her male victims are uncertain whether or not they should press charges for the same reason.
- Quite a few adult films have this trope.
- In The Rocky Horror Picture Show, Frank N. Furter sleeps with both Brad and Janet. To do this, he disguises himself as the other character and gets frisky. When the disguises come off, they initially object, then give in.
- Janet: Oh, STOP... I mean help...
- Possibly in the movie Carrie, when the title character was conceived.
- Carrie's Smother: He took me, with that filthy roadhouse whiskey on his breath, and I liked it. I liked it!
- Mileage varies here, as Carrie's mother is an extreme religious fanatic who finds sex within marriage objectionable, and may be crying rape because of her overdriven sense of sexual guilt.
- Also shows up in Doctor Zhivago:
- And don't delude yourself this was rape. That would flatter us both.
- In Monty Python's Life Of Brian, after Brian discovers his father was a Roman:
- Brian: You mean...you were raped?!
- Mother: Well, at first, yes.
- In Revenge of the Nerds, Lewis (a nerd) commits "Rape by Trick" against head-cheerleader Betty by disguising himself as her mean boyfriend, Stan (the quarterback); though he reveals himself to her immediately after, she is so overwhelmed by Lewis's sexual expertise that she falls in love with him.
- This was lampshaded in Robot Chicken.
- In Gone with the Wind, Rhett Butler rapes his wife Scarlett, but the next day she's blushing blissfully about it.
- In the Hanzo the Razor trilogy of films (starring Shintaro Katsu of the Zatoichi series), the titular policeman interrogates women by raping them until his massive penis has brought them to such ecstasy that they cannot refuse telling him whatever he wants to know.
- In Rob Roy, Archie (the villain) is speculating on various possible fathers, one of whom "lifted [his mother's] skirts at a masque ball." When Archie's girlfriend, shocked, replies "He ravished her?" Archie simply says "I would put it no higher than surprise." Later on, when Archie rapes the hero's wife, Brian Cox shows up to tell her that it doesn't count as adultery if she didn't enjoy it. Even further on, Archie taunts Rob by musing if Mary enjoyed it somewhat.
- In High Plains Drifter, Clint Eastwood does this with two different female characters. But the first one was a bit of a slapper, so that's okay.
- The Killer Inside Me: Joyce starts hitting Lou, Lou hits her back, and then shoves her down on the bed and starts beating her with his belt. It's awful... until he apologizes, looking shocked at himself, and she tells him it's OK and kisses him. They then basically begin an S&M relationship which doesn't end well: he beats her almost to death and shoots her other lover, and then ends up killing her for real at the end. He's a charming guy.
- A borderline case occurs in Unfaithful (the American remake of "La Femme infidèle"); wife Connie Sumner (Diane Lane) is walking out on Paul Martel (Olivier Martinez) to stop her affections from developing further. Martel angrily chases her out of his apartment, slams her against the wall, and starts forcibly kissing and groping her. She struggles at first, then quickly submits to her infidelity.
- In Lust Caution, the heroine ends up falling in love with the man she's been ordered to sleep with and whose idea of intimacy is to take her by force.
- Used in Ayn Rand's The Fountainhead. In her own words, Ayn Rand declares "If it is rape, then it is rape by engraved invitation." Through the use of subtle advances, the heroine basically does everything an upstanding woman of the 1920s can do short of ripping off her clothes and humping his leg to get his attention -- without ever explicitly consenting. Given that she repeatedly refers to it as rape after the fact, yet seems to be proud of the experience, it probably suffices to say that Rand had some odd ideas about sex and consent.
- Tylin to Mat in The Wheel of Time.
- One of many rape tropes present in the Outlander series. Jack Randall purposefully alternates between brutal sadism and romantic attentions, in an attempt to elicit a physical response from his male victim, and he succeeds. Jamie is left disturbed, confused, and furious. (Though at least one reader has ended up pleading this trope in Randall's defence..) In another instance, with a female making the advances and without the sadism, Geilis quite clearly takes advantage of Ian during Voyager. Other characters seem ambivalent about this, in what seems like Deliberate Values Dissonance.
- Classical Mythology features - well, it's difficult if it could be termed "Rape," even if the girl is a maiden or a Happily Married woman and the guy is the King of All Gods and kind of difficult to turn down. Whether it was consensual or not is always debatable (though the incidences with the swan and the bull are pretty harsh), but whenever there is a child resulting from said union (and there always is) the child is raised with love and pride to be a great hero. Often, in times when portraying sexual acts between two consensual humans in art was utterly inappropriate, many artists faced no trouble in painting or sculpting scenes such as this, instead.
- In Stephen King's Carrie, as described in the entry for the film.
- Gone with the Wind.
- Subverted in Kushiel's Legacy. Several times, Phedre has been places in situations where she has been forced into sex with another person. She mentions the worst part of the experience is always the humiliation of enjoying it.
- From the Discworld:
- Mr. Betteridge: Not rape. I believe, said Mr.Betteridge, finding a rock on which he could stand. Not in the case of Cohen the Barbarian. Ravishing, possibly.
- There is a difference?
- Mr. Betteridge: It's more a matter of approach, I understand. I don't believe there were ever any actual complaints.
- Speak: Andy Evans pulls this on Melinda in The Climax, right before trying to rape her. Again. This time, she kicks his ass.
- Not precisely this trope, but in Vladimir Nabokov's Lolita, the eponymous character initiates her first sexual encounter with the narrator, inviting him to play "a game she learned at camp"--of course we have only Humbert's word on this.
- In V.C. Andrews' Flowers In The Attic, after Christopher begs Cathy to forgive him for raping her, she comforts him by insisting that she wanted it just as much as he did and could've stopped him if she'd wanted to. However, in the description of the rape itself Cathy describes having initially tried to fight him off, but that "It wasn't much of a battle" because of his greater weight and height (a sentiment she follows, however, almost immediately with "And I loved him"). Factor in that the two are brother and sister and the whole event becomes even more distressing.
- Averted in The Guardians. When vampires drink, it is the blood donor who chooses whether to resist or invite the Blood Lust. Over the course of the series, several vampires are forced to have sex they don't want, and depending on the circumstances it's treated as anything from a tragedy to outright rape.
- In the Hurog series by Patricia Briggs, Ward is very uncomfortable discussing what happened to him while he was a prisoner. Another character reassures him that he shouldn't feel guilty or question his sexuality; rape is rape, no matter if his body enjoyed it or not.
- A similar case happens in Law and Order: Special Victims Unit when three female white collar workers are accused of raping a male stripper. Lots of politics get flung around at the bail hearing, until the judge declares that women's rights have moved forward enough for women to also take responsibility as potential sexual predators.
- There's another Law and Order: SVU episode where a man is raped by another man and doesn't want his girlfriend to know about it because he climaxed.
- In Picket Fences, a woman rapes a man, and the police are a bit confused, also pointing out that he did climax himself.
- This trope makes up the plot of the song "Nightman," but don't try to tell Charlie that.
- May play a factor in the very complicated consent dynamics between Spike and Buffy in Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
- This is literally the rapist Dean's defense when Paige Michalchuk sues him for rape in Degrassi The Next Generation and he wins with this defense.
- Dean's Lawyer: And you find my client attractive?
- Paige: (hesitating) Yes. I did. Before.
- Dean's Lawyer: My client put his hand inside your blouse, did you immediately reject him? Slap him? For the record, please.
- Paige: No.
- Dean's Lawyer: This is very difficult for you I know, but when my client touched your breast how did you respond? Did you enjoy it?
- Paige: (hesitating) No. Well, at first...yeah.
- Dean's Lawyer: You're telling us that you did. Ms. Michalchuk.
- The defense used by the people who run the Dollhouse in Dollhouse is that when Actives are sent on romantic engagements they genuinely love the clients and willingly have sex with them, having no idea that they've been hired out or that their own memories and personalities are constructs.
- Agent Ballard disagrees, of course, and feels terrible about sleeping with Mellie after learning that she's an Active. He also refuses to have sex with Echo, a self-aware Active who has integrated her imprint personalities, because he thinks it's just the things the Dollhouse have done to her mind that makes her want him.
- Averted in My Name Is Earl (in tandem with an aversion of Rape Is Okay When It's Female On Male), where after Earl's comatose-but-dreaming body is kidnapped/stolen the medical examiner refers to "involuntary climax" and Joy (of all people) insists on making more fervent the hunt for vengeance. Now, how they figured out that said climax was involuntary was never mentioned.
- The Childcatcher, from the song of the same name by Patrick Wolf, claims this.
- You said:
- Well I've got no time for victims and I don't think it was all that bad
- If you can't run to save yourself then you deserve to be had [...]
- And I think you even enjoyed it, I think I even saw you come
- Vince Staples on the song "epaR" by Earl Sweatshirt.
- She's kicking and screaming, begging for me to fucking stop it
- Look, you know it's not rape if you like it, bitch
- So sit down like a pretty ho and don't fight the shit
Real Life Edit
- In some cases, if the victim enjoys it then they don't report it (due to shame) so nobody gets prosecuted for rape. Some victims who did report their rapes have said that that is one of the worst parts about being raped: that orgasm still happens and can make one feel incredibly dirty and confused about their body's reactions. (A common phrase is "my body betrayed me".) See "Sexual arousal and orgasm in subjects who experience forced or non-consensual sexual stimulation - a review."
- Furthermore, some victims will cope by convincing themselves that because they physically enjoyed it, it wasn't rape. (Yes, you can Mind Rape yourself). What's more, if you have Alien Hand Syndrome you could rape yourself, then your body would REALLY be betraying you). This works as a coping mechanism because, if the victim wanted the rape, it means they had some measure of control - it's an attempt to reason or "bargain" with the horrible reality of what actually happened. The victim may respond in a Stockholm Syndrome-like way, wherein they begin to feel that they "hate the rape, but love the rapist" - while they blame themself for the negative feelings that they associate with the rape, as they try to rationalize and accept the irrational and unacceptable.
- This coupled with All Men Are Perverts and All Women Are Prudes is one of the big reasons Western society has been very slow to accept the notion of female sexual predators.
- Especially since in several cases, an of age male has been abducted and forcefed Viagra or some other stimulant by underage women and raped, and then he gets arrested and marked as a sex offender.
- It's worth noting that as long as the victim is alive, lucid and competent to testify, you cannot press charges for rape on behalf of the victim; the victim must do it him/herself if s/he wants the rapist prosecuted. In turn, this means that if s/he decides she liked it, she can elect not to press charges.
- Memorable Mike Tyson quote: "I'll fuck you 'til you love me, faggot."
- The "logic" behind this trope is the reason why in any jurisdiction where sodomy laws are in place, if a man rapes another, the victim is often the one that gets arrested and prosecuted.
- Seen on TV: Dubai once drew attention from France because they wanted to jail a 16-year-old French boy for having been abducted and then raped by three HIV-positive male convicts. The victim reported that the local police accused him of being a closeted homosexual who willingly let those men have sex with him. Fortunately, after a burst of outrage and a campaign to "Boycott Dubai", they didn't insist.
- This trope has been criticized by the Slovenian philosopher and psychoanalyst Slavoj Zizek. According to him, it's even more violent to rape somebody who enjoys it, since this enjoyment outside the possibility of socially acceptable symbolization adds to the traumatic effect of the rape itself.
- Sounds like a very intelligent man.
- A BNP candidate once said that rape was equivalent to chocolate cake - women like chocolate cake, so clearly forcing it on them is not a problem, and apparently 'she would be more inconvenienced by having her handbag stolen'. And they wonder why all sane people despise them...
- The man was Nick Eriksen who wrote strongly worded right-wing blog posts under another name. He was forced to leave the BNP when they discovered what he had written.
- This is actually an established concept of internet porn writing: the difference between "nc" (non-consensual) and "rape". A story that lists "rape" among its qualifiers will focus on the violence, randomness, and/or pain of the act. Whereas "nc" stories will portray the act as more sensual, the person being betrayed by their body, or their body revealing their true sexual nature. This is often used to introduce innocent or virginal characters into the pleasures of sex against their will. Naturally, being porn, instead of being horrified by it, they say "more, please/master!"
- St. Augustine of Hippo wrote on this matter, emphasizing that "a woman who is raped is blameless for the act, so long as she did not enjoy it." At the time, this was an especially radical concept, considering how prevalent the Defiled Forever and My Girl Is Not A Slut concepts were. Obviously, he was discussing the first case. Making this trope Older Than Feudalism.
- The only way a Heian era lady was able to respectably handle sexual encounters with her lover was to play-pretend she was being raped. Consenting to and openly enjoying sex would have made undesirable remarks about her ladylikeness, and to imagine if someone would have happened on such a scene...! Acknowledging this will help understand Tale Of Genji better - turns out the protagonist isn't a serial rapist but a skillful lover.
- Nioh, on the other hand...
- It has been the undoing of many an otherwise watertight case. Where the case of the Accused is that the victim consented to sex; any evidence that s/he did in fact enjoy sex is useful in putting his case forward, even though this is a gigantic load of crap.
- The pleasant physical reaction to sexual stimulation is one way that child molestors can really screw up a victim: a significant percentage of molestors don't cause the victim physical pain, which can cause the victim to feel guilty as they get old enough to realize what happened made them physically feel good even though it was morally, legally, and unquestionably wrong.
- There seem to be short-lived but recurring releases of T-shirts with slogans such as 'It's not rape if you yell "Surprise!"'. When they crop up, they are shouted down as being extremely offensive, but then for some reason they keep coming back.
- The Robber Bridegroom
- The Rape of Lucreze. Where it's debated whether a rape victim is pure or not; after all, she might have enjoyed it. Only through DrivenToSuicide killing herself is the stain removed. Yeah, there's a reason this one isn't talked about as much as Shakespeare's other works.
- The Phantom Of The Opera alludes to this. There has been much debate over what happens between Christine and the Phantom after the lights go out at the conclusion of "Music Of The Night"--and if there WAS sex, it would be rape, as Christine was alternately unconscious/in a trance at the time. When Christine describes the encounter to Raoul, she states that though she is terrified of the Phantom, she is equally drawn to him by his beautiful music.
- Towards the climax of the show, Christine flat out asks the Phantom if he means to rape her. His response, while ambiguous, suggests that he isn't capable of sexual intercourse, though it could also mean his deformed face gives him no chance for romantic love.
- In the same scene his wording, "this face...has also denied me the joys of the flesh," implies that [[Even Evil Has Standards|and he won't rape a woman when she inevitably says no.
- Towards the climax of the show, Christine flat out asks the Phantom if he means to rape her. His response, while ambiguous, suggests that he isn't capable of sexual intercourse, though it could also mean his deformed face gives him no chance for romantic love.
Video Games Edit
- The Neverwinter Nights mod series The Bastard of Kosigan has a couple of scenes that can play out this way. If the player has a high enough Charisma and chooses the violent rape option with Diane in the forest north of Cologne, the following text is something along the lines of "she is a lot less reluctant than she should be."
- In A Dance With Rogues, if you lead Vico along enough in the second mod the scene in the dwarven inn will play out a lot like a rape scene, and you have the option of fighting him off or going along (which locks you into a romance with him).
- Embric Of Wulfhammers Castle sees the Duchess raped by a woman; she acknowledges that it was rape, and does accuse Carmina of raping her, but the fact that she enjoyed it (and doesn't mind describing it in erotic detail for her maid to arouse herself with later) is just one of the mitigating factors involved.
Web Original Edit
- One of the Ask That Guy segments had the question "If you rape a prostitute, is it rape or just theft?". He claims that he raped a prostitute and was charged for both crimes, with his defense being that she enjoyed it just as much as he did.
- The first variation is used in Dept Heaven Apocrypha when the villain makes sure a character he's raping climaxes, then uses it to torture that character mentally. The scene is played for High Octane Nightmare Fuel, and shortly after, the victim loses his mind completely. The results are not pretty.
- In Survival Of The Fittest Version 3, Adam Reeves attempts to justify his rape of Maxie Dasai by asserting that her body's arousal meant that she was into it. It's left ambiguous, but strongly implied that he brought her to orgasm (Reeves himself certainly thought so). He is the only one that thought it was okay.
- While there was no actual sex, there was a somewhat arguable example in Collar 6. Sixx drugged Laura without her knowledge, and had Ginger molest her. Even though Laura was already in a submissive relationship with Sixx, this led to a Dude Not Funny reaction, and eventually the author had Sixx apologize, and realize that what she'd been doing was wrong.
- Kit N Kay Boodle has a storyline wherein the titular characters and a psychic friend astrally rape the queen of a neighboring country while she's negotiating a contract with her lawyers; when she cries in pain, they switch to oral sex, and she begins to enjoy it-- when the lawyers try to rescue her from this when they realize that the reading glasses she's wearing are the link between her mind and her rapists, it attracts the attention of her doorman, who then accuses the three of them of raping her and throws them out before negotiations are complete. This was the entire point, and at no point is any of it ever considered bad or morally questionable because the protagonists did it.
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